Have a 10' john and a crawdad. Trying to figure out something different with the anchor ropes. Can't mount much on top edge of boats, haul them upside down on pop up camper sometmes. Have cleats on them now, about all the room. Also thinking of using a cooler with a live well pump instead of basket over the side, tired of pulling it in and out of the water, but as you know not a lot of room in either boat, but maybe fit a cooler.