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I realize that lately these and many other motors have been popping up for next to nothing or flat out free but a friend mine who was in his late 80's recently passed away and his wife is trying to raise some cash to pay bills. His boat is pretty much junk, he had taken a sawzall and cut down the transom to fit a new 15in Honda 9.9hp motor back in 2008 or so. He got a deal on the motor but bought it new. He never got to run it much, maybe a few days on the water tops before he got sick and passed away last fall.
The motor is off the boat and stored in his camper where it always got placed when he parked the boat. I put a new impeller in it, changed the engine and lower unit oil, and replaced the fuel filter two years ago but he never made it back out on the water.
I know if she puts it up on CL the most she'll get here is maybe $300 or so if she finds the right person.
I've got an identical motor that I picked up last week for free after the boat, motor, and trailer sat all year on Cl with no takers. His is cleaner, but still a 2006. Its got maybe 4 or 5 hours or run time on it in the one lake here that allows gas motors. The lake is deep but only about 700 acres or so total area with much of it unreachable by boat.
He paid $3,200 for it new. Its a short shaft tiller motor with rope start with a spare prop.
Blue book value puts it at $400, four dealers have used motors just like it listed for $1,500 and $1,850.
But there are several listed on CL for $200 and $400 but not as clean and likely salt water run.
If all its worth is $400 then I'm going to tell her to just keep it till things get better rather than take such a hit on it. This area has never been great for selling anything, there's never any buyers for anything and any thing that does sell goes far away to those willing to drive more than 50 miles.
What do these motors bring in other areas?
 
If your anywhere in South Jersey its not worth much right now, there's too many cheap boats and motors for sale these days.
I listed a 2008 Mercury four stroke a few months ago for $1,100 and didn't get a single reply on CL or FB. Not even a lowball offer. I refused to give it away, if its not worth that much I'll part it out was my general thought, luckily a buddy took it to Iowa and it sold there the same day for $1,500.
Things are just too expensive and taxes have gotten too high with too many out of work due to companies leaving the area or closing up to afford toys.
 
Five or six hours isn't even broken in yet. That is a huge plus. Age and short shaft is a minus. I don't really follow prices for second hand outboards. But I'm guessing that would go for a lot more than $400 around here. There is a 2003 Honda 8hp with under 100 hours listed for $900. A 2003 Honda 15 at under 50 hours for $1,350. In reality, a comparison of the market clear across the country is probably not much help to you.
 
Even though its barely used and may look and be almost new, its 15 or so years old to most who don't know motors.
I bought one that was supposedly seized up a few weeks ago but it turned out it was just in gear and the rope wouldn't budge. The guy that had it ripped the rope handle off it trying to start it against the safety stop on the recoil.
I gave $50 for it.
I see a ton of motors listed but none seem to ever sell. its the same 6 pages of boats and motors that's been up on CL and FB for two or three years or so, with a few new ones added to the mix.
I think most people here see Honda as the best of the best but not many can afford them, so we don't have a local dealer who sells or services them. Parts are online or a long drive away so Honda gets overlooked as an option. They're also heavier than the other motors.

I'm not sure what's wrong with a short shaft? I would think that a short shaft tiller motor would be the most desirable motor since most boats that would be suitable for that size motor have a 15" transom. Most run small jon boats here and those area really low sided with nearly no freeboard which sort of rules out most four stroke motors. A 9.9hp OMC or Merc would be the best option for most guys if they run bigger water but the ban on gas motors in general makes smaller motors a tough sell. With only one or two lakes in southern NJ there's only so much demand for a 10hp motor and most can't handle the weight of the four stroke.
I will say that the Honda makes more torque than the Tohatsu clones, (Merc, Evinrude, Johnson, Nissan, etc all built by Tohatsu in recent years).
I've run mine on my 14ft boat a few times and its pretty fast, but not as fast as my 1980 9.9hp Johnson on an empty boat but with two guys and some gear, the Honda is the winner everytime despite the added weight. Its just turning a taller pitch and larger diameter prop than the two strokes. It runs circles around my 9.8hp Merc, two stroke and my 9.9hp Merc Tohatsu four stroke won't even get the boat on plane. On my Starcraft, I actually ended up putting a 1.5" spacer under the motor bracket to raise up the motor a bit because its not a truel 15" motor, its longer and more like a 17.5" or so. I gained 3mph by rasing the motor and it saved a lot of fuel as well. I wouldn't sell mine for less than $1,500 cash and its no longer brand new with about five or so trips up and down the river on it since I got it.
I believe mine is a 2006 model but Honda doesn't designate model years for some reason.
Nothing has changed in those motors for 20 or so years so year doesn't really matter much either I keep an extra pair of plugs, a spare prop, and spare impeller for mine so I never have to wait to order parts when or if the time comes.
 
Honda model numbers include a code for model years prior to 2007. But apparently everything from 2007 to current is lumped together. If yours is a 2006, it might have "D6" in the model number. Like "BF9.9 D6 SRTA" . D6 = 2006.

I don't know why they lumped everything together starting in 2007. I suspect the Honda tech's could narrow down the year from the serial number.
 
Personally I don't put much value on the age of a motor, its more about the physical condition. I want a motor that's not corroded and one that's not been overheated or badly abused in a way that's not easily repairable.
When I buy a used motor I want one that's at least fixable. I rarely buy one running because of the cost but finding one that needs maybe a starter, or lower unit means I can buy it cheap. Often two or three cheap motors more than equals one good one in the end.
The problem is many these days can't do their own work and if you have to pay a dealer to do every little thing for you its going to get expensive fast. Its likely why we see so many newer motors in non running condition. They buy them, run them till they die and buy another one. Most seem to die from overheating or a gummed up carb.
I really feel that if your going to buy a used motor you need to be able to do the basic repairs yourself. Things like cleaning a carburetor, changing a water pump impeller, a prop, or even a headgasket or thermostat should be something your able to do or willing to learn. If not its going to get expensive fast at $180 to $200/hr at the marina or dealer. Most also have a min. 1hr min labor charge as well. A buddy was just quoted $1,150 plus tax to have the water pump replaced, and the engine and lower unit oil changed in his 115hp Mercury. He paid $450 to get the carb cleaned on his old 9.5hp Johnson at the dealer last year and likely hadn't even used it more than once or twice since the last time it was done.

If I were listing a four stroke anything, so long as its a viable motor its worth $1,500 all day long, maybe more, but finding someone who has cash is a whole different story these days.
Keep in mind there's a difference between what its worth and what its worth to someone with only $100 bill in their pocket today.
I do better selling motors in the winter here, it seems thats when guys who know how to work on their own stuff are shopping for a project for next year and they know the value of a clean, corrosion free motor. Those shopping for a motor in July want a motor they can run today not next week after it gets back from the shop with a $1,500 bill for $100 worth of work.
 
This is what your up against when selling a motor these days:
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/bpo/d/riverton-vintage-hp-evinrude-outboard/7758763009.html
Those motors have been listed for a long time with no takers at $150 each, he finally dropped the price about two weeks ago but the ad is still up.
I realize these are not four strokes but $100 for a running motor will always be my first choice over anything priced higher and until all this stuff is gone the better motors will go unsold.
Myself, like nearly everyone I know wants to catch fish, and catch fish cheaply.
Then there's the fact that the old, crusty but running 18hp is both lighter and much faster thus more fun than the a heavy lumbering four stroke that'll require annual oil changes and expensive parts.
Now if the newer motor was the same hp AND cheaper, it would change my mind but then again it wouldn't be still listed for sale either.
I know I'm cheap, but so are most other guys these days who have the time to fish and are on a fixed income.
 
We don't have a winter market around here. So no upturn in prices, but man is this fall and winter going to be a great time to buy. I don't know if any of us sellers are ever going to get any decent money out of any of our stuff. I've slashed my prices drastically and still haven't sold anything this year.

Almost seems to me that 10% of the population has all the money. The other 90% are losing ground rapidly. The regular people in this country are hemorrhaging money while the scammers and influencers are raking it in. Geez, if I didn't have a conscience, I'd be getting rich too. Maybe in Nov things will change. Either we retrun to sanity or we are all going down the tubes. Use your vote wisely. Not only is the future of boating on the line, but just about everything else is too.
 
Years ago we used to have a huge fisherman's fleamarket every fall, guys would buy boats and motors with both the intention of catching the fall striper run or as winter projects. I haven't seen that fleamarket advertised in a while now though. Fall, up until around right before Christmas and again around Feb. boats and motors used start to sell, with most motors being for sale in the fall. Summer is always dead, but its never been this dead.
Absolutely nothing sells right now, at least not to any local buyers. I did have a guy drive here from upstate New York though to buy a lower unit for an OMC stern drive. I was glad to get it out of my screen house outback. It had been listed on CL for about 9 years. It finally sold when I raised the price and moved the pics around a bit. It had come from a boat I bought and converted to an outboard with a bracket years ago.
In the 24 years I've lived here I've only had one sale to a local buyer, a fishing reel for $30. That was 17 years ago. I sold the snow plow from my old truck to a guy from up near Buffalo, NY about a week ago. He showed up with a Subaru wagon to get it after probably 40 phone calls about how to get here. He got bad lost several times after leaving in the early morning, he didn't get here till after midnight. He wanted to put the thing in the back and let it hang way out the back of the car, I gave him a piece of scrap plywood and some old carpet padding and I hoisted it onto the roof of his car. He paid good money for it so I didn't mind helping a bit, or making sure he didn't kill anyone or himself going home.

I had two really strange CL buyers, neigher of which I'll likely ever forget.

I sold a Bolens large frame tractor to a guy about four years ago, for those not familiar with them, their a super sized garden tractor weighing in about 1200 lbs with the rear hitch, fuel, oil, and more with filled ag tires. He showed up with a late model minivan, two short ramps, and a hand winch. He paid cash, didn't haggle about the price and went to work trying to shove that thing into his van, which still had a new car dealer tag in the window. He tells me he has to be careful because its his wife's new van.
When I saw the short wood ramps and the cable winch with a pipe welded on for a handle I grabbed a beer and sat back and watched the show. I wanted no part of that I could was about to happen. He pulled the tractor around behind the van, he then takes off a shoe and proceeds to use it to measure the deck width and the back door opening of the truck. I could see from 40ft away it had zero chance of fitting through the door, the deck was a 60" cut plus a metal chute on the right and four deck wheels. He somehow figures it'll make it He proceeds to take out a piece of 2" water pipe and he lays it across the front floor in front of the seats on the floor, then he wraps a chain around the middle and connects the hand winch to the pipe and then to the front axle of the tractor. He lines up the ramps and starts cranking. It was clear there was no way the deck was either going through the back door opening or clearing the top of the ramps. He get it to the point where the front wheels are just inside the truck, but the steering wheel is trying to go over the roof. He spots this after the wheel started to push the lift gate upward between the hinges. He backs it down the ramp again, gets out some tools and begins an hour fight to remove the steering wheel, which are notoriously hard to remove from those things. He finally get the wheel of, and decides to remove the seat as well. He cranks it back up the ramp but doesn't see that the steering shaft is also too tall, or he realized there was nothing he could do at that point. Then the deck hits the door way on the right side, I saw a chunk of the weather strip hit the ground. He then takes out a 2" ratchet strap and tries to crank one side of the deck up as high as he can and removes the deck wheels on the other side so it'll drop down. (A smart man would have removed the deck, or brought a trailer or real truck). He proceeds to more cranking and I can here it grunting and grinding as the deck is forced through the door opening. At the same time I'm watching bits of headliner foam fall down over the tractor. At that point he's committed and keeps cranking.
He gets it to about the point where the rear wheels are just about onto the door jamb area and runs out of cable, so he rehooks the cable to the rear axle or rear hitch somewhere, running the cable under the deck. He again starts cranking but it won't budge, the deck is digging into the plastic side panels and the ratchet strap had popped off the deck or broke. He then takes a 30" prybar and starts trying to pry and shove the thing left and right to get it unstuck. Once it gave way ha goes back to cranking. I then started to hear a squealing sound, kind of like metal to metal bakes. I then notice a mole hill forming in the roof where the steering shaft is making its way along.
He either doesn't see this or don't care at this point. About an hour and a half had passed and he was still not all the way in the truck and the front wheel well looked a bit raised to say the least. The keeps cranking till it again runs out of cable,t he grill of the tractor was against the back of the front seats and the rear tires were almost flush with the rear weather stripping. The rear hitch, and fender pan were still sticking out a bit. He takes the hitch apart, looks at the fender pan and just tossed the tools in the truck, slides the ramps in on the passenger seat up front, and he then tries to shut the rear gate but it won't latch. So he tries it again, then finally does a king kong slam and the rear window explodes. At that point hes dripping with seat, pissed off and just jumps in and leaves. The rear gate never latched, and the thing was riding about 10" high in the front almost dragging the rear bumper. After he pulled away from the stop light my neighbor down there calls me and said the guy who just left your place just lost two ramps out the back door of his van. I went down and got them and gave him a call but he either had is phone off or he lost that too. I never heard from him again but I really wondered how he ever got that thing out of there or what excuse he gave his wife and inrurance company about how that truck got all screwed up like that.

The other was a tattoo covered gray haired, short, overweight older woman who drove here from Ohio about 10 years ago to buy a vintage snowmobile trailer from the 1960's or so. (She somehow reminded me of Danny Devito but with lots of tats, Einsten's hair, and a leather tank top). She had a detailed vampire bat tatooed on her forehead and her leather tank top was cut like bat wings around the edges. She showed up driving a primer black 1964 Dodge panel truck that had about a million tiny rubber figurines glued all over it The hood, fenders, doors and roof were coverd in little rubber or plastic trolls and dolls. In the passenger seat was a manquin in a black suit and tie with a skull for a head, and airplane steering wheel zip tied to his hands in his lap, and a cigar in his mouth. She also brought her 6 dogs with her for the ride. The whole interior of the truck was covered in blood red shag carpet. She introduced the manequin as "Jake", her "husband past and copilot". I just nodded and showed her the trailer she came for. She buys the the trailer and pays my asking price, then she asks if she can 'camp' in my back yard or behind my house for a few days. I told her that the land behind my place was city property and they patrol it at night, so that was a hard NO. She then takes the tongue of the trailer and and chains it to the rear bumper of truck. It didn't have a trailer hitch or ball, just a loop of chain closed together with a nut and bolt. I didn't ask any questions and the trailer had no lights and 50 year old petrified tires, I just watched. She sat there for about an hour apparetly having a converstion with the dummy, then she finally walks back to my door and asked me to point here in he direction of FL, she said she promised Jake she'd take him there. I pointed south with my finger and she just turned around and left. I have no clue what happened after that. I sort of figured the less I knew the better with that one.
She paid real money for a trailer that was fairly collectible if you owned an old ski but it was rough to say the least. I was just glad is sold and that she went on her way.
 
The current crop of Americans for the most part seem mentally ill. This kinda crap is why I try my best to meet up with people somewhere other than my home. Even if they are going to have to come here eventually, I want to look them over before having them over.

I also use a Voice Google no. so nobody gets my real number.

Vampire lady would have been a hard no. The tractor guy I'da done my best to convince to make a trip to the local U-haul lot. Don't think I could have stood to watch that crap. Too cringeworthy.

The other thing that always concerns me is what if these nuts have guns? Where I live it's not that hard to get a gun and conceal carry without a permit was recently made legal.

BTW, notice how much easier this is to read with a few page breaks? Just throw them in where you want. Your posts are tough to read.
 
Update:
Things changed quickly:
I spoke to my buddies widow on Sun, she called all antsy about getting the boat out of the yard that day. She was offering to split what ever it brought in scrap or how ever I wanted to get rid of it with me and said I can keep the new motor if I got it out of there that day. Her daughter is pushing her to get rid of everything. I headed over there and right away her daughter and son-in-law ask me if I want all the old guy's fishing 'junk', she tells me it has to go NOW or its going in the trash. There's nothing he had that I really didn't have but no fishing tackle is ever trash so I told her to just lay it all in the back of my truck neatly with the rods on top.

I back up to the boat, pull it out into the driveway and get out a compressor to fill the tires. I get the son-in-law to help me get the motor out of the camper along with the two fuel tanks, more fishing rods, and a long past its prime battery.

I put the motor in a blanket in the back of the truck and tossed the tanks and battery in the bottom of the boat. I go inside to tell her all of what I took and she then insists I also take his tool box, a commercial parts cabinet full of mostly Craftsman tools. She tells me she's sold the house and is moving into a condo with a friend of hers down in FL.

She tells me to take what ever I want, what you don't take is going out for the trash. I didn't ask a lot of questions, I thought she wanted to stay in the house but I suppose someone talked her into something else, or maybe she wants a fresh start. I told her I'd call her when I found the boat a new home. She didn't seem too concerned about it which was a complete change of attitude from last week when we talked. I guess with what ever cash she got from the selling the house she felt she was good to go and the boat was just in the way. Her daughter was keeping the camper, which is probably 40 years old or more and not all that nice after my buddy used it as a tackle box and bait shack for so many years. He had bolted a 2x12 across the bathroom door opening in the rear to serve as an outboard stand. They made getting all the stuff out of the camper a priority once I got there.

When I walked back out of the house the one trailer tire was flat again so rearranged a few tings in the bed of the truck, pumped up the tire again and got out of there. When I got home I found that they had tossed his old Sears trolling motor in the boat and an old 9.5hp Evinrude that was on the boat before he bought the new Honda motor.
When I got home I pulled the leaky tire and stuck a tube in it. Then using a tree and a come along I hoisted the motor out of the truck onto a tool cart for now and into the garage. I left the boat in the driveway on the truck and brought the trolling motor inside.

Later on Sun. I got the rest of the junk out of the boat, stuck the 9.5hp in my run barrel with a tank of 50:1 fuel mix to see if it ran, and it fired up on the fourth pull. The thing runs like a top. (He had told me that it had low compression and wouldn't run when he bought the Honda). After letting it run for a bit, I could see it was pumping water and not getting hot so I shut it down and checked compression and got 115/117 psi on each cylinder. It may be a keeper. Its not pretty but it runs great but a can of blue paint and its all good. .

I put the 9.5 in the garage as well. I stuck the 2hp Die Hard Trolling motor to the transom, gave the boat a quick wash and took some pics. A woman who lives around the corner from me on the main highway sid she'd put the boat out on her lawn. I told her if she sellsls it she can have anything over $2,500. My thought was it would likely bring maybe $800 or so tops but I gave her a challenge. She said she was also going to list it online, and aksed if I'd take some pics of the boat for her with her in the background sunbathing.
She then listed it for $3,200 cash w/title, with her not the boat as the focus of several of the pics. She put $5,500 or best off on the sign taped to the boat. I basically left it up to her. I wasn't optimistic but she had sold a few cars for me there too over the years.

(The boat is an early 80's Sullivan with a 5" deep 20" wide chunk cut out of the middle of the transom with a circular saw with the splash well cut away as well so the short motor could clamp down , now at the place where the splash well was formerly riveted to the transom. Then they cut it extra wide so the motor would turn all the way. The middle bench was cut out with a sawzall as was the original side console. There were two gray plastic molded seats on 6" pedestals mounted to both the left rear of the rear bench and one in the middle of the front bench. The floor was bare aluminum with a few brackets remaining from where he had ripped out the original plywood decking).

She called me this morning to bring the title, she had it sold to some guy who saw it on his way to work and he was coming back with the cash. After about an hour or so she comes over and hands me the cash and tells me the guy didn't want the trolling motor or battery so she left them in front of my garage and brought me $2,500 cash. She said she kept the rest.
She let it go for $3,200. I may need to find her more boats to sell.

My personal opinion of the boat was that its a complete mess, its the butchered transom and splash tray ruined it as far as I'm concerned.
The missing bench seat is just as bad but that could be cleaned up and replaced with a couple of rod holders to reinforce the sides a bit more.

I still have the Honda 9.9, the fuel tanks, and the 9.5 Evinrude and the 2hp trolling motor, two anchors, and a junk battery. All I had it into was an inner tube and the time to install it and give the boat a wash. Plus I've got a huge box of tools to sort out now.

Now the question is whether to have the same woman sell the motor? Apparently she's got a knack for selling things when there's a cash incentive. I don't really care how she does it, that's up to her but I'm afraid the motor would get stolen if she doesn't keep it secured or in her garage. Maybe a hot woman next to it will double its value.
 
Update:
Things changed quickly:
I spoke to my buddies widow on Sun, she called all antsy about getting the boat out of the yard that day. She was offering to split what ever it brought in scrap or how ever I wanted to get rid of it with me and said I can keep the new motor if I got it out of there that day. Her daughter is pushing her to get rid of everything. I headed over there and right away her daughter and son-in-law ask me if I want all the old guy's fishing 'junk', she tells me it has to go NOW or its going in the trash. There's nothing he had that I really didn't have but no fishing tackle is ever trash so I told her to just lay it all in the back of my truck neatly with the rods on top.

I back up to the boat, pull it out into the driveway and get out a compressor to fill the tires. I get the son-in-law to help me get the motor out of the camper along with the two fuel tanks, more fishing rods, and a long past its prime battery.

I put the motor in a blanket in the back of the truck and tossed the tanks and battery in the bottom of the boat. I go inside to tell her all of what I took and she then insists I also take his tool box, a commercial parts cabinet full of mostly Craftsman tools. She tells me she's sold the house and is moving into a condo with a friend of hers down in FL.

She tells me to take what ever I want, what you don't take is going out for the trash. I didn't ask a lot of questions, I thought she wanted to stay in the house but I suppose someone talked her into something else, or maybe she wants a fresh start. I told her I'd call her when I found the boat a new home. She didn't seem too concerned about it which was a complete change of attitude from last week when we talked. I guess with what ever cash she got from the selling the house she felt she was good to go and the boat was just in the way. Her daughter was keeping the camper, which is probably 40 years old or more and not all that nice after my buddy used it as a tackle box and bait shack for so many years. He had bolted a 2x12 across the bathroom door opening in the rear to serve as an outboard stand. They made getting all the stuff out of the camper a priority once I got there.

When I walked back out of the house the one trailer tire was flat again so rearranged a few tings in the bed of the truck, pumped up the tire again and got out of there. When I got home I found that they had tossed his old Sears trolling motor in the boat and an old 9.5hp Evinrude that was on the boat before he bought the new Honda motor.
When I got home I pulled the leaky tire and stuck a tube in it. Then using a tree and a come along I hoisted the motor out of the truck onto a tool cart for now and into the garage. I left the boat in the driveway on the truck and brought the trolling motor inside.

Later on Sun. I got the rest of the junk out of the boat, stuck the 9.5hp in my run barrel with a tank of 50:1 fuel mix to see if it ran, and it fired up on the fourth pull. The thing runs like a top. (He had told me that it had low compression and wouldn't run when he bought the Honda). After letting it run for a bit, I could see it was pumping water and not getting hot so I shut it down and checked compression and got 115/117 psi on each cylinder. It may be a keeper. Its not pretty but it runs great but a can of blue paint and its all good. .

I put the 9.5 in the garage as well. I stuck the 2hp Die Hard Trolling motor to the transom, gave the boat a quick wash and took some pics. A woman who lives around the corner from me on the main highway sid she'd put the boat out on her lawn. I told her if she sellsls it she can have anything over $2,500. My thought was it would likely bring maybe $800 or so tops but I gave her a challenge. She said she was also going to list it online, and aksed if I'd take some pics of the boat for her with her in the background sunbathing.
She then listed it for $3,200 cash w/title, with her not the boat as the focus of several of the pics. She put $5,500 or best off on the sign taped to the boat. I basically left it up to her. I wasn't optimistic but she had sold a few cars for me there too over the years.

(The boat is an early 80's Sullivan with a 5" deep 20" wide chunk cut out of the middle of the transom with a circular saw with the splash well cut away as well so the short motor could clamp down , now at the place where the splash well was formerly riveted to the transom. Then they cut it extra wide so the motor would turn all the way. The middle bench was cut out with a sawzall as was the original side console. There were two gray plastic molded seats on 6" pedestals mounted to both the left rear of the rear bench and one in the middle of the front bench. The floor was bare aluminum with a few brackets remaining from where he had ripped out the original plywood decking).

She called me this morning to bring the title, she had it sold to some guy who saw it on his way to work and he was coming back with the cash. After about an hour or so she comes over and hands me the cash and tells me the guy didn't want the trolling motor or battery so she left them in front of my garage and brought me $2,500 cash. She said she kept the rest.
She let it go for $3,200. I may need to find her more boats to sell.

My personal opinion of the boat was that its a complete mess, its the butchered transom and splash tray ruined it as far as I'm concerned.
The missing bench seat is just as bad but that could be cleaned up and replaced with a couple of rod holders to reinforce the sides a bit more.

I still have the Honda 9.9, the fuel tanks, and the 9.5 Evinrude and the 2hp trolling motor, two anchors, and a junk battery. All I had it into was an inner tube and the time to install it and give the boat a wash. Plus I've got a huge box of tools to sort out now.

Now the question is whether to have the same woman sell the motor? Apparently she's got a knack for selling things when there's a cash incentive. I don't really care how she does it, that's up to her but I'm afraid the motor would get stolen if she doesn't keep it secured or in her garage. Maybe a hot woman next to it will double its value.
Boy oh boy you truly just never know do you.
 
We don't have a winter market around here. So no upturn in prices, but man is this fall and winter going to be a great time to buy. I don't know if any of us sellers are ever going to get any decent money out of any of our stuff. I've slashed my prices drastically and still haven't sold anything this year.

Almost seems to me that 10% of the population has all the money. The other 90% are losing ground rapidly. The regular people in this country are hemorrhaging money while the scammers and influencers are raking it in. Geez, if I didn't have a conscience, I'd be getting rich too. Maybe in Nov things will change. Either we retrun to sanity or we are all going down the tubes. Use your vote wisely. Not only is the future of boating on the line, but just about everything else is too.
Winter time is when folks tend to buy projects to keep them busy. The last two years though have been pretty much dead selling anything here. A farmer buddy of mine who has a stand out front said they're not even buying food this year. He can't sell blueberries or strawberries because the imported berries in the super market as cheaper and people can use their CC there. He only deals in cash. At $6 qt for blueberries I'm not buying any either. The farm stands are higher these days then the markets.

Its less then 10% of the population with all the money, the real numbers are more like 1 to 2% or so.
With the last two years inflation and other issues, it would take a mid six figure income to live comfortably in most places these days, something that less than 4% of the population makes and less then 6% total make more than 100k a year.
Those making less can no longer buy a home, afford rent, or buy a new car. Soon they won't even qualify for credit cards or most insurance.
The numbers I heard are that things now are roughly 88% worse financially today in the USA than they were during the Great Depression of the 1930's. We have slid so far since 2008 its hard to calculate the losses.
Worse yet, all the money that common investors lost back during the recession increased the number of millionaires in this country by 5 and net billionaire total wealth increased over 85% since 2017.
The number of billionaires has doubled since 2008 in the US, but nearly quadrupled worldwide with China having the highest gain.

What I really don't understand is why I don't see more people fishing for food. The banks are devoid of fishermen most days and only the die hard locals are out there. The hoards of people crabbing, fishing, and netting are gone this year.
With many grocery prices seemingly doubling every month, I'd have expected to see dozens out fishing.

That $100 18hp is still listed, and if what I've been seeing holds true it'll likely still be there come next month as well.
I went down to one marina/parts store for a few small items and the place was like a ghost town. I had to walk around the place to find someone, they had let all the employees go and the shop was all but empty. No work, no repairs, no boats in the water besides the two owner's boats and one work boat. The yard was full of boats on stands. They said that about half of them are likely abandoned, and they already had 50 or so from last year that were just left there with unpaid storage fees.
They said getting rid of them costs them money no mater how they go about it. If they go after a title, they spend the labor time of going to get the title at the DMV, the cost of the paper work and legal fees, and then the cost of advertising the boat that may or may not be in running condition. They estimated that to get a title they're looking at about $1,100 in time and fees. If they scrap it, the charge is $65/ton minus any hazardous item fees.
 
Its amazing how fast some guys will open their wallets to impress a pretty girl.

A buddy sold his 18ft Starcraft the other day for $900, it ran great but needed a ton of work, the floors were rotten, the steering cable frozen, and the thing needed about 40 rivets replaced. It had a good running 90hp on it though. The guy who came and bought it came from out of state but he found out this morning that the guy bought the boat, then towed it a few miles away down a secluded wooded road where he stopped, pulled the outboard off and backed the boat into a clearing there and left the boat and trailer behind.

Police showed up at his door with the title to the boat in hand thinking he dumped it there to get rid of it.

The guy left the title and registration for the trailer which was in a zip lock bag laying in the boat. They took the controls, motor, and two 6 gallon fuel tanks and left. The name the guy gave on a bill of sale my buddy made him sign was fake and the truck they were driving had a faded temp tag that his surveillance cams couldn't read. He got paid in cash so he's not out anything, he just thought the boat was gone, now he had to go reclaim it. I may take it to the same woman to see if she can unload it without the motor.

I can't believe they left the trailer, its maybe five or six years old tops and like brand new yet.
I may have been an issue for the buyer though if they lived in a state that titles trailers. No boat trailer that size has a title here.

The motor itself was decent but no looker to say the least, but he had just had the lower unit rebuilt and resealed after it sat with water in it for a few years.
So the lower was perfect, and he had nearly what he sold it for in the lower unit and a new engine harness under the hood a few years ago.
The boat was a great little set up a few years back but he left it sit outside for the last 40 years and things got ugly inside the boat. No cover, full of leaves, snow, and water didn't do it any favors and it finally got so bad leak wise couldn't run enough bilge pumps to keep it afloat.
He'd send money on the motor but never the boat.
 

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